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Offline bontchev

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Sharing phalanx scans
« on: 17 June 2009, 09:55:43 »
I was wondering - could it be useful if GT could be used to share phalanx scans? It's not that I desperately need such a tool - there are a couple of Russian sites that let you do that (although, stupid thing, none of them lets you delete the saved scans) - but maybe it would be useful to integrate something like that in GT?

To see what I'm talking about, take a look here (click on the English flag, if the Russian text doesn't make sense) and here (only in Russian, sorry). You might have to register (it's free) before you can save your own scans. Once saved, though, the scans become publicly visible (if you know the URL), even after they have expired. See, for instance, this.

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Re: Sharing phalanx scans
« Reply #1 on: 17 June 2009, 10:54:12 »
Before sharing such information we would need to store fleet related information :)

What other kind of fleed information would you like to store?
- Own fleet arrivals (potential risk if you have spies within your alliance)
- transports between alliance member (both member already know it)
- own attacks (others will know your farms)

Because of that reason I did not implement this yet. Phalanx would also show others what targets you check.

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Re: Sharing phalanx scans
« Reply #2 on: 18 June 2009, 10:28:55 »
I am not sure I understand the objection. I am not talking about sharing the Overview - I am talking about sharing the phalanx scans. And, of course, the user should have the option not to send his/her phalanx scans to the database - just as now s/he can opt out from sending espionage reports or information about one's fleet/resources/buildings/defense/technologies.

And one should be able to delete saved phalanx scans from the database, of course. In fact, it would be even better if the "expired" ones (i.e., all counters on them have reached zero) are deleted automatically.

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Re: Sharing phalanx scans
« Reply #3 on: 23 June 2009, 12:16:20 »
surely this can only be done for other player's planets and fleets and the data would probably stay unconnected to spy reports because fleets on their way can't be associated with a planet/moon.
Also the sharing of phalanx scans should be triggered by an extra button below the scan in Ogame so that not all scans get shared.

But i'm wondering wether such a feature should be in galaxytool ... aren't public Combat report Hosters better at dealing with thonse reports ? (someone has developed a Greasemonkey script already to upload Combar reports to a particular hoster)

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Re: Sharing phalanx scans
« Reply #4 on: 30 June 2009, 16:55:10 »
surely this can only be done for other player's planets and fleets

Again, I'm not sure I understand you. It should be done for the phalanx scans of the user. Of course he can't scan his own planet - but so what; he can't spy it, either - and that doesn't prevent the sharing of espionage reports.

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and the data would probably stay unconnected to spy reports because fleets on their way can't be associated with a planet/moon.

And again I don't understand. Of course it doesn't have to be connected to the spy reports. It can (and must) be connected to a particular planet, however - the one that was being scanned. The user phalanx-scans a planet, the scan report is saved in a database, another user can see that the planet has been phalanx-scanned (e.g., by some icon in Galaxy view) and can then view the phalanx report submitted by the first player.

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Also the sharing of phalanx scans should be triggered by an extra button below the scan in Ogame so that not all scans get shared.

That's possible - but why bother? Just save automatically all scans and give the player a configurable option whether to submit (all) his phalanx scans or not.

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But i'm wondering wether such a feature should be in galaxytool ...

Why not? It's just like with the sharing of espionage reports.

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aren't public Combat report Hosters better at dealing with thonse reports ? (someone has developed a Greasemonkey script already to upload Combar reports to a particular hoster)

I'm not aware of even a single combat report repository that does this function properly. shahterov.net handles only Russian scans. O-O-D handles multiple languages but doesn't account for the user's time zone. Neither of them allow the user to delete old scans. This one also handles only Russian. All of them require the user to fetch the HTML source of the page and to  paste that into the tool. That might be fine for me and you (and the average Russian hacker) - but it's a bit above the head of the average user... While something like the GT plugin for Firefox is the perfect tool to fetch and send exactly the information needed.

Do you know of any other combat repositories that allow one to share phalanx scans?

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Re: Sharing phalanx scans
« Reply #5 on: 10 July 2009, 19:57:33 »
So you want to store arrival times of fleets on a particular planet.
And from time to time the outdated should be removed.

Is this the point? If yes, what additional features do you need then when I stored it.
- show it in galaxyview next to the planet
- search for it somehow ?!

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Re: Sharing phalanx scans
« Reply #6 on: 10 July 2009, 20:37:27 »
So you want to store arrival times of fleets on a particular planet.
not just arrivals but the entire phalanx report (doesn't need any translation features for now so the texts can be stored as memos)

- show it in galaxyview next to the planet
if you ask me: right on the planet (link from planet's name to a new page where you see the latest report and where you can swich to histroic ones)

- search for it somehow ?!
doesn't sound necessary. But a new page kind of like the shoutbox that links to the latest phalanx reports would be nice.

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Re: Sharing phalanx scans
« Reply #7 on: 31 July 2009, 17:22:37 »
So you want to store arrival times of fleets on a particular planet.
not just arrivals but the entire phalanx report

Yes, indeed. Take a look at those Russian sites I pointed you to. Their phalanx report repositories show the entire report, as the real thing, including the ticking countdown (unless it has expired).

- show it in galaxyview next to the planet
if you ask me: right on the planet (link from planet's name to a new page where you see the latest report and where you can swich to histroic ones)

Maybe just another green icon like that for the notes and the espionage reports in Galaxy view.

- search for it somehow ?!
doesn't sound necessary.

I agree.

Also, there should be some way to delete reports that are no longer needed - manually, those older than a certain number of days, or those whose clocks have expired (i.e., the fleets on them have arrived). Preferably - all the three.

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Re: Sharing phalanx scans
« Reply #8 on: 12 August 2009, 17:26:49 »
someone had an idea for obtaining the correct Gameserver time here. (german)
« Last Edit: 21 August 2009, 19:46:25 by DieMade »

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Re: Sharing phalanx scans
« Reply #9 on: 20 November 2010, 01:08:49 »
Hi!

Some news on this topic:
 I finished the parser for the Firefox AddOn to read Phalanx Scans and the fleet from the eventList (so your own fleet movement).

Besides, eX0du5 created the parser for Galaxytool itself, so we are already able to present some results.

To check them out, please login here:
-> http://galaxytool-hosting.eu/galatool_beta/

with test / test

After that visit the following page:

-> http://galaxytool-hosting.eu/galatool_beta/secret/fleet_movements.php (it haven't been integrated in the menu, yet)

It would be nice, if you could provide some feedback about the layout and maybe add some additional ideas.

What is already planned:
  • possibility to efficiently delete old fleets
  • search for fleets
  • intergration into galaxyview of Galaxytool -> done (example: visit 1:194:12 and mouseover the planetname)
  • possibility to adjust to local time
  • show only ships, that are really inside the fleet -> done
Maybe, you have another idea - please let us know. ;)
« Last Edit: 20 November 2010, 23:25:17 by Omar Hawk »

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Re: Sharing phalanx scans
« Reply #10 on: 20 November 2010, 09:05:34 »
I'm traveling and my accounts are in vacation mode right now, but I visited these links and so far have the following remarks:

1) Is it normal to have things like FLEETS_MISSION_ATTACK, FLEETS_MISSION_ESPIONAGE, FLEETS_MISSION_TRANSPORT, etc. - or will those be eventually translated to the various languages? (I used English.)

2) It would be better to show a pop-up with the contents of the fleet when the mouse hovers over the sign of the fleet - instead of over the number of ships.

3) In the pop-up, better don't display the kinds of ships for which their number is zero.

4) The pop-up doesn't seem to appear immediately or reliably - sometimes I couldn't make it appear at all.

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Re: Sharing phalanx scans
« Reply #11 on: 20 November 2010, 12:04:05 »

1) Is it normal to have things like FLEETS_MISSION_ATTACK, FLEETS_MISSION_ESPIONAGE, FLEETS_MISSION_TRANSPORT, etc. - or will those be eventually translated to the various languages? (I used English.)
-> only German is translated so far ;)

2) It would be better to show a pop-up with the contents of the fleet when the mouse hovers over the sign of the fleet - instead of over the number of ships.
-> should be, but that has something to do with
4) The pop-up doesn't seem to appear immediately or reliably - sometimes I couldn't make it appear at all.
-> which is a bug, that I also noticed at that time, but it was too late already :D


3) In the pop-up, better don't display the kinds of ships for which their number is zero.
-> I think so, too. It makes it more readable

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Re: Sharing phalanx scans
« Reply #12 on: 20 November 2010, 21:02:23 »
I'm traveling and my accounts are in vacation mode right now, but I visited these links and so far have the following remarks:

1) Is it normal to have things like FLEETS_MISSION_ATTACK, FLEETS_MISSION_ESPIONAGE, FLEETS_MISSION_TRANSPORT, etc. - or will those be eventually translated to the various languages? (I used English.)
Added an English version as well. All others will follow at the end of the process when we know all required texts.

2) It would be better to show a pop-up with the contents of the fleet when the mouse hovers over the sign of the fleet - instead of over the number of ships.
It was above ships and quantity. I have it now only above the ships.

3) In the pop-up, better don't display the kinds of ships for which their number is zero.
Done

4) The pop-up doesn't seem to appear immediately or reliably - sometimes I couldn't make it appear at all.
I noticed that too. It did not help to have it only above the ship icon :-(
I got no Javascript errors in the console and use a simple mouse over mechanism I had used for hover texts for quite some time in the galaxytool. Not sure why this makes problems here.

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Re: Sharing phalanx scans
« Reply #13 on: 20 November 2010, 23:27:53 »
I got no Javascript errors in the console and use a simple mouse over mechanism I had used for hover texts for quite some time in the galaxytool. Not sure why this makes problems here.

I no longer observe this problem, so maybe it has been solved.

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Re: Sharing phalanx scans
« Reply #14 on: 20 November 2010, 23:48:44 »
Yes